Today we had an interesting conversation about love and sex. More specifically, can a person love a partner and yet find the best sex possible in another person? Here's the gist of the conversation as best as I can remember it (ie. I might have take certain liberalities with the conversation in order to shorten it.):
S: The best sex is dependent on the body of the person. If the figure of the person is much better than your wife's and the other party's skills are better then surely the sex would be better.
Me: But if you love your wife enough wouldn't you find that she will give you the best sex possible? Wouldn't the sex provided by the other party be lacking somewhat? If you do not love her as much as you think you do, that will give you the incentive to find fulfilment elsewhere. Afterall sex is 90% mental.
S: But you not wanting to fool around might be because of the responsibility that you feel towards her rather than the love that you think you have for her.
Me: Granted that it's true but it's also very possible that I love her so much so that the responsibility is second nature. Afterall, with love come responsibility and everything else that follows. On the contrary, one might feel responsible to somebody without loving him or her. For example, if a woman save you from an accident you can continue to feel responsibile for her condition but without the love.
S: But that's introducing a whole load of other variables into the situation.
Me: Ok but what if we just abstract the situation that you're just feeling responsible to somebody? It's definitely not definite that you'll feel love for her. On the other hand if you love someone you'll necessarily feel responsible for her. Anyway back to the topic, the condition of love is that the sex cannot be detached from it. If we give a situation whereby you have a wife who loves you and you love her just as deeply. The only thing is that her figure is not the best over the years that passed. On the other hand you have a woman who's figure is the best and her sexual prowess is also the best. Thing is...you don't feel anything for her. I would still think that the best sex is what my wife can give me. The emotional cannot be detached from the physical.
MX: But some people just don't want to cheat because they don't want to break up the family. They are afraid of stuff like alimony, procedures etc.
Me: Yeah then all I can say is that they are the hypocrites. Just like the man who does charity at the old folk's home to impress his gf and the man who does it out of genuine compassion and pity, you can never tell which is which.
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MX: Ok we put it this way, who will you save if your mom and wife is drowning?
Me: If I love my wife enough I will save her. But this means that if I love a person enough I will be the biggest bastard in history who's going to hell.
ZQ: I guess the only thing is that everyone can only speak for themselves. You may have one way of looking at love but you can't say that for the person beside you.
Me: Yeah but you must understand that I don't expect any of you guys to think the same way as I do. It's just what I believe in and strive for.
OBK: Wah your conception of love is very dangerous. And idealistic. It's too perfect. And it's dangerous too. It's just like the Christian love.
Me: Yeah but the Christian love is not necessarily erotic and I am a very erotic man. How is my love Christian-like?
OBK: I'm talking about the kind of love that is unconditional.
Me: But no what, I expect reciprocity. She must love me enough that she will not fuck around. It's very dangerous I know because I'm aware that there might come a day that should the girl I love ever come to betray me I might just die a wasted man. And even if this kind of standard that I'm trying to measure up against is too perfect, the least I can do is to strive for it. In the event that I can't achieve it and I become the economic man in relationships, I will be the first to say that I am a hypocrite and condemn myself.
ZK: Waaaah then you better get ready to be V1 liaoz .
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On the bus I was just thinking about the choice of having to save the woman you love and your mom. On hindsight it's an unfair question because we cannot compare saving a person's life and infidelity on the same level. Even if it could, I will just have to admit that I do not love the person whom I did not save enough. But the dilemma does prove that I love them both. For if it was responsibility, I have a responsibility towards both. So what would make me choose one over the other? Love. Simple as that. Furthermore it proves my theory further that with love come responsibilty but not necessarily the other way around.
With regards to the possibilty of a best sex, it is not being able to separate itself from the emotional because the emotions forms the perceptions that you have of your partner. As the Master once said, the moment you fall in love with a prostitute, she ceases to be one. Love enobles and puts your partner on a pedestal. She can nearly do no wrong that is so bad you can't forgive her. Love overlooks the minute imperfections that the other party possesses. On the other hand, love exacts its price on you for giving you the perfect image. In your honour of the angelic figure that love created, you make the harshest demand on yourself. You stifle your desire so that you may respect the other. The pain that your harshness inflicts on you is only mitigated, if not overridden, by the sweetness that comes with love. One becomes a masochist when love takes root.
Sunday, August 07, 2005
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